St Ives Chambers > Birmingham, England > Set Profile
St Ives Chambers Offices
St Ives Chambers
1-3 WHITTALL STREET
BIRMINGHAM
B4 6DH
England
St Ives Chambers > The Legal 500 Rankings
Midland Circuit > Family: children and domestic violence Tier 1
Birmingham's St Ives Chambers is a ‘fantastic set for family law’ with ‘unrivalled strength in depth’ and offers advice across both public and private law children work. Elizabeth Isaacs KC is a ‘highly experienced and focused advocate’ with particular expertise in child death, serious physical injury, and sexual abuse cases, while Tom Harrill has handled a number of cases involving especially vulnerable parties. Other key members of the team include the ‘thorough and diligent’ Matthew Maynard, who regularly handles cases touching on issues of surrogacy and assisted reproduction. Timothy Bowe KC was appointed silk in the 2023 round.Rising stars
Leading Silks
2023 Silks
Leading Juniors
Testimonials
‘The clerks at chambers are very helpful and efficient. Scott Goodison is very personable, extremely helpful, and always accommodating.’
‘All the clerks are incredibly helpful. Nick Burdon will go above and beyond and endeavour to ensure that you have just the right counsel for the instruction.’
‘St Ives Chambers has the strongest offering of barristers in Birmingham.’
‘St Ives Chambers are go-to barristers. They always provide a quality and timely service.’
‘St Ives Chambers are excellent, particularly for children matters (both public and private).’
Midland Circuit > Social housing Tier 1
St Ives Chambers has ‘great quality and depth of knowledge on social housing issues’ and advises on anti-social behaviour, homelessness applications and unlawful eviction. Practice head Michael Singleton is ‘very knowledgeable and thoroughly prepared’.Rising stars
Leading Juniors
Testimonials
‘Ross Hands and the team are excellent. The team is approachable and always helpful.’
‘The civil clerks are wonderful. Accommodating and very open about any reasons as to why counsel may not be available.’
‘St Ives Chambers offers a fantastic approachable service with exceptional barristers in their set.’
‘St Ives Chambers is a strong set with great barristers.’
‘St Ives Chambers is a highly reputable set with a variety of training programmes available and highly skilled advocates who all hold themselves to a very high standard.’
Midland Circuit > Crime (general and fraud) Tier 2
The criminal practice group at St Ives Chambers has expertise in prosecuting and defending across a wide range of serious crime cases involving homicide, human trafficking and sexual offences.Rising stars
Leading Juniors
Testimonials
‘James Harte is highly commended for his down-to-earth nature, responsiveness and communication with clients.’
‘St Ives Chambers offers an exceptional service. Criminal clerks go above and beyond to ensure that desired counsel is available to conduct both hearings and attend conferences.’
‘St Ives are excellent. It has a strong body of juniors dealing with some heavyweight work.’
Work highlights
Midland Circuit > Property and construction Tier 2
St Ives Chambers‘ team is known for its ability to advise on ‘all disciplines of property law, with a particular strength in property litigation’. Harry Marriott is praised for his ‘excellent drafting and advocacy skills’.Testimonials
‘Ross Hands and the rest of the team are always on hand to help and provide solutions, particularly at short-notice.’
‘Ross Hands is unparalleled in his client care.’
‘St Ives Chambers is a go-to chambers, particularly relating to claims in the West Midlands.’
‘St Ives Chambers is a first choice for local chambers. It offers very experienced counsel and juniors.’
‘St Ives Chambers always provides a fantastic service and is a go-to set. Their property litigation expertise is significant and they provide excellent training opportunities.’
Work highlights
London Bar > Family: private FDR judges and arbitrators Tier 3
Midland Circuit > Family: divorce and financial remedy Tier 3
St Ives Chambers is ‘a great set of chambers’ ‘offering extremely experienced and impressive barristers across all areas of family law at all levels’. The group is well-known for its excellent track record in handling high-value, complex matrimonial finance cases. Andrew Day is highly regarded for his excellent track record in advising on matrimonial finance matters and being ‘meticulous in his preparation of a case’. ‘A confident and articulate advocate’, Nicholas Starks is regularly instructed in financial relief work involving farms, companies, business structures and inherited assets.Leading Juniors
Testimonials
‘David Walters and Scott Goodison are a pleasure to work with and always quick to respond.’
‘David Walters and Scott Goodison are great.’
‘St Ives Chambers is the leading family set in Birmingham.’
‘St.Ives Chamber’s strength in depth with good and reliable barristers.’
‘St Ives Chambers is a fantastic set for family law. It has great strength in numbers throughout.’
St Ives Chambers > Set Profile
Chambers Director: Jackie Maskew
Practice Managers:
Sarah Robinson (Public Law Children)
David Walters (Private Law Children & Family Finance)
Catherine Merry (Housing, Business & Property (Civil) & Regulatory)
Daniel Giles (Crime)
Tenants: 85
Door Tenants: 6
THE CHAMBERS
St Ives is a multidisciplinary set with particular expertise in family law, housing, business and property, regulatory and criminal law. Recognised as one of the leading sets of chambers on the Midland Circuit. It is also unparalleled in the region for its extensive provision of family law dispute resolution, ranging from early neutral evaluations, private FDRs, and arbitration.
Chambers works in partnership with all clients, including professional and lay clients, local government, companies, and housing associations in order to ensure consistent excellence in the delivery of services, from initial instruction until case completion. The set prides itself on its’ attention to detail, approachability and efficiency. This ethos is underpinned by a professional and friendly clerking service that works hard to ensure smooth delivery of services.
St Ives is pleased to enjoy a national profile, accepting instructions from all regions and regularly being instructed in high profile cases across the country.
THE SET
Chambers is proud of its reputation for outstanding service and excellence in all areas of advocacy and advisory work and boasts some of the most renowned and experienced practitioners in the Midlands, past and present. With over 80 tenants, 10 percent of which are silks, all available for instruction through chambers, St Ives is able to offer clients expertise at all levels.
St Ives is routinely listed in national legal directories as a leading set, with many barristers regularly contributing to legal publications and being published authors of seminal legal texts. Many members of chambers also hold part-time judicial appointments, including Deputy High Court Judges, Recorders, and deputy district judges (both civil and criminal). Former members include a Lady Justice of Appeal, a High Court Judge, and numerous circuit and district judges.
Main Contacts
Department | Name | Telephone | |
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Head of chambers | Elizabeth Isaacs KC MCIArb (1998- Silk: 2013) | ||
Deputy Head of Chambers | Timothy Bowe (2003 – Silk:2023) | ||
Members of Chambers | Jane Crowley KC (1976- Silk: 1998) * | ||
Members of Chambers | James Tillyard KC (1978- Silk: 2002) * | ||
Members of Chambers | Joseph Giret KC (1985- Silk: 2010) * | ||
Members of Chambers | Owen Thomas KC (1994- Silk: 2018) * | ||
Members of Chambers | Nicholas Allen KC (1995 - Silk: 2018) * | ||
Members of Chambers | Kate Hughes KC (1992- Silk: 2021) * | ||
Members of Chambers | Samantha Powis (1984) | ||
Members of Chambers | David Jackson (1986) | ||
Members of Chambers | Michael Singleton (1987) | ||
Members of Chambers | Stuart Clarkson (1987) | ||
Members of Chambers | Julie Slater (1988) | ||
Members of Chambers | Catherine Preen (1988) | ||
Members of Chambers | Jayne Mullen (1989) | ||
Members of Chambers | Nicholas Starks (1989) | ||
Members of Chambers | Matthew Haynes (1991) | ||
Members of Chambers | Michelle Brown (1992) | ||
Members of Chambers | Justine Lattimer (1992) | ||
Members of Chambers | Richard Dewsbery (1992) | ||
Members of Chambers | Gregory Rogers (1991) | ||
Members of Chambers | Tracy Lakin (1993) | ||
Members of Chambers | Mary Abbott (1994) | ||
Members of Chambers | Lucy Hawkins (1994) | ||
Members of Chambers | Basharat Hussain (1997) | ||
Members of Chambers | Kirstie Danton (1999) | ||
Members of Chambers | Karamjit Singh (2000) | ||
Members of Chambers | Mark Jones (2000) | ||
Members of Chambers | Moira Ashton-Walsh (2000) | ||
Members of Chambers | Nina Bache (2001) | ||
Members of Chambers | Claire Baker (2001) | ||
Members of Chambers | Andrew Day (2003) | ||
Members of Chambers | David Payne (2003) | ||
Members of Chambers | Matthew Maynard (2003) | ||
Members of Chambers | James Cleary (2003) | ||
Members of Chambers | David Outterside (2004)* | ||
Members of Chambers | Michael Tanney (2004) | ||
Members of Chambers | Louise Sapstead (2004) | ||
Members of Chambers | Tom Russell (2004) | ||
Members of Chambers | Claire Briggs (2005) | ||
Members of Chambers | Gareth Cheetham (2005) | ||
Members of Chambers | Anthony Finch (2006) | ||
Members of Chambers | Simon Burch (2007) | ||
Members of Chambers | Charmian Jackson (2007) | ||
Members of Chambers | Sophie Murray (2007) | ||
Members of Chambers | Tom Lawal (2008) | ||
Members of Chambers | Natalie Cross (2009) | ||
Members of Chambers | Mark Cooper-Hall (2009) | ||
Members of Chambers | Sarah Fahy (2009) | ||
Members of Chambers | Annabel Hamilton (2009) | ||
Members of Chambers | Dympna Howells (2009) | ||
Members of Chambers | Carol Binnion (2010) | ||
Members of Chambers | Julia Bond (2010) | ||
Members of Chambers | Thomas Bramall (2010) | ||
Members of Chambers | Jason Hadden MBE (2011) | ||
Members of Chambers | Shabinah Ladha (2011) | ||
Members of Chambers | Matthew Fiddy (2011) | ||
Members of Chambers | Samuel Coe (2012) | ||
Members of Chambers | Sian Waldron (2012) | ||
Members of Chambers | Tom Harrill (2013) | ||
Members of Chambers | Martin Langston (2015) | ||
Members of Chambers | Ian Windridge (2015) | ||
Members of Chambers | Aadhithya Anbahan (2015) | ||
Members of Chambers | Eve Horren (2015) | ||
Members of Chambers | Rebecca Cross (2015) | ||
Members of Chambers | Ben Chapman (2015) | ||
Members of Chambers | Lawren Dobson (2016) | ||
Members of Chambers | Jane Talbot (2016) | ||
Members of Chambers | Elisabeth Richards (2016) | ||
Members of Chambers | Malvika Jaganmohan (2017) | ||
Members of Chambers | Angela Houston (2017) | ||
Members of Chambers | Priya Tromans (2018) | ||
Members of Chambers | Holly Hilbourne-Gollop (2018) | ||
Members of Chambers | George Smith (2018) | ||
Members of Chambers | Hasnat Bashir (2018) | ||
Members of Chambers | Zara Mahmood (2018) | ||
Members of Chambers | Terri Mason (2019) | ||
Members of Chambers | Thomas Duggan (2019) | ||
Members of Chambers | Morgan Pirone (2019) | ||
Members of Chambers | Samuel Peake (2019) | ||
Members of Chambers | Queenie Djan (2020) | ||
Members of Chambers | Feargus Campbell (2020) | ||
Members of Chambers | Emma Kelly (2021) | ||
Members of Chambers | Holly Sims (2021) | ||
Members of Chambers | Bethany Stirling (2022) | ||
Members of Chambers | Adam Clay-Croome (2021) | ||
Members of Chambers | Katy Fellows (2021) | ||
Members of Chambers | Alyssa Callaway (2022) | ||
Members of Chambers | Milly Webb (2022) | ||
Members of Chambers | Nick Devine (2024) | ||
Members of Chambers | Adam Carrolan (1996) † | ||
Members of Chambers | Jordan Warren (2021) † | ||
Members of Chambers | Emily Waggott (2023) † | ||
Members of Chambers | Katie Goodman (2023) † | ||
Members of Chambers | Sioned Fitt (2024) † | ||
Members of Chambers | Ann Chavasse (1971) (AT) | ||
Members of Chambers | Graeme Simpson (1994) (AT) | ||
Members of Chambers | Judith Trustman (1996) (AT) | ||
Members of Chambers | Sarah Pritchard (1997) (AT) | ||
Members of Chambers | * Door Tenant | ||
Members of Chambers | † Pupil | ||
Members of Chambers | (AT) Associate Tenant (affiliated with Chambers but not currently accepting instructions) |
Barrister Profiles
Photo | Name | Position | Profile |
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Ms Aadhithya Anbahan | Aadhithya Anbahan is a Barrister specialising in Regulatory and Housing law. Aadhithya’s… | View Profile | |
Ms Nina Bache | Nina is a specialist family law (children) practitioner. In public law matters… | View Profile | |
Mrs Claire Baker | Claire specialises in Children’s Law, primarily care proceedings. She has a broad… | View Profile | |
Mr Hasnat Bashir | During his long practice as a Solicitor, he regularly appeared for applicants,… | View Profile | |
Ms Carol Binnion | Carol was a solicitor for 25 years prior to being called to… | View Profile | |
Ms Julia Bond | Julia Bond has been a specialist Family law practitioner since 1995. She… | View Profile | |
Mr Timothy Bowe KC | Timothy regularly represents local authorities, parents and children in sensitive and complex… | View Profile | |
Ms Claire Briggs | Claire Briggs specialises in all forms of Family law both public and… | View Profile | |
Ms Michelle Brown | Michelle Brown is a Barrister specialising in Family law. Michelle represents local… | View Profile | |
Mr Simon Burch | Mr Burch joined Chambers in 2017 having originally practiced at a leading… | View Profile | |
Mr Gareth Cheetham | Year of Call: 2005 Gareth represents and advises applicants and respondents in… | View Profile | |
Mr Stuart Clarkson | Stuart Clarkson has wide-ranging experience in all types of criminal work for… | View Profile | |
Mr Peter Cooper | Peter deals with heavyweight Criminal work, both defending and prosecuting. He regularly… | View Profile | |
Mr Mark Cooper-Hall | Mark practises exclusively in family law and specialises in matters relating to… | View Profile | |
Ms Natalie Cross | Natalie is Public Access trained which enables her to accept instructions direct… | View Profile | |
Miss Rebecca Cross | Rebecca is a family law specialist with an established practice in family… | View Profile | |
Ms Kirstie Danton | Kirstie is deputy head of the childcare group within chambers. | View Profile | |
Mr Andrew Day | Andrew Day is a Barrister specialising in Arbitration and Family (finance). He… | View Profile | |
Ms Sarah Fahy | Sarah is a specialist family law practitioner with a diverse public and… | View Profile | |
Mr Matthew Fiddy | Matthew has an established practice in public and private children’s cases. | View Profile | |
Mr Joseph Giret | Joseph Giret KC has a successful practice and enjoys a formidable reputation… | View Profile | |
Mr Jason Hadden MBE | Jason appears on a daily basis in courts all over the country… | View Profile | |
Ms Annabel Hamilton | Annabel Hamilton is a Barrister specialising in Family law (both public and… | View Profile | |
Mr Tom Harrill | Tom practises exclusively in Family law and specialises in matters related to… | View Profile | |
Ms Lucy Hawkins | She has over 18 years’ experience in cases relating to children, and… | View Profile | |
Mr Matthew Haynes | Matthew Haynes’s work includes contentious probate work, including issues relating to the… | View Profile | |
Miss Holly Hilbourne-Gollop | As a public family practitioner, Holly appears on behalf of Local Authorities,… | View Profile | |
Ms Angela Houston | Angela qualified as a solicitor in 1992 and has 25 years of… | View Profile | |
Mr Dympna Howells | A former solicitor and partner in a large regional practice, Dympna has… | View Profile | |
Mr Basharat Hussain | Year of Call: 1997 With his wealth of knowledge and understanding of… | View Profile | |
Ms Elizabeth Isaacs | Elizabeth is highly regarded and has an established national reputation for her… | View Profile | |
Ms Charmian Jackson | Charmian is an experienced and tenacious advocate who regularly appears for applicants,… | View Profile | |
Mr David Jackson | David is a Barrister specialising in Criminal Law. He has defended in… | View Profile | |
Ms Malvika Jaganmohan | Malvika regularly acts in cases of a level of complexity beyond her… | View Profile | |
Mr Mark Jones | Mark’s Housing law area of expertise lies where human rights and public… | View Profile | |
Ms Tracy Lakin | Tracy practises in Public Law Children, Private Law Children applications. She is… | View Profile | |
Mr Martin Langston | He has developed a busy and varied litigation practice routinely appearing at… | View Profile | |
Ms Justine Lattimer | Justine Lattimer specialises in child protection. She is highly experienced in serious… | View Profile | |
Mr Tom Lawal | Year of Call: 2008 Tom accepts instructions in all areas of housing… | View Profile | |
Mr Matthew Maynard | Matthew is a specialist children practitioner with a particular emphasis on complex… | View Profile | |
Ms Jayne Mullen | Jayne now exclusively undertakes work as a Private FDR Judge. Jayne is… | View Profile | |
Miss Sophie Murray | View Profile | ||
Mr David Payne | David is a family law specialist with who is regularly instructed in… | View Profile | |
Ms Samantha Powis | She is experienced in dealing with all types of crime including homicide and other… | View Profile | |
Miss Catherine Preen | Cathy has practised exclusively in Family law since 1990. She represents parents… | View Profile | |
Ms Elisabeth Richards | Elisabeth was a solicitor for 15 years prior to her call to… | View Profile | |
Mr Gregory Rogers | Greg is a specialist family lawyer who practices exclusively in cases concerning… | View Profile | |
Mr Graeme Simpson | Graeme has wide-ranging experience in all types of criminal work for both… | View Profile | |
Mr Karamjit Singh | Karamjit Singh is specialist civil litigator predominantly working in the fields of… | View Profile | |
Mr Michael Singleton | As Head of the Housing Practice Group, he has pioneered the development… | View Profile | |
Ms Julie Slater | Since being called to the bar in 1988, Julie practices exclusively in… | View Profile | |
Mr Nicholas Starks | Nicholas is a senior junior counsel with over 25 years’ experience, specialising… | View Profile | |
Ms Jane Talbot | Jane has a high profile for Housing work and has been at… | View Profile | |
Ms Priya Tromans | Priya has practised litigation for over seven years, with experience in a… | View Profile | |
Mr Ian Windridge | Ian qualified as a Solicitor in 1998 (Higher Rights Criminal in 2008).… | View Profile |
Client Testimonials
CLIENT: Philip Rea
COMPANY/FIRM: Thursfields Solicitors
TESTIMONIAL:
St Ives chambers Family set are second to none. The breadth of experience, knowledge and skills of their Counsel provides us with reassurance and comfort that our clients are in excellent hands. Client service from Counsel is always of the utmost quality. Feedback from clients is always very positive. Tom Harrill, Tom Lawal and Holly Hilbourne-Gollop are particular standouts and are our ‘go to’s’ for Private Law work. The clerking team is also worth a mention the level of client service in particular David Walters and Scott Goodison is exceptional. They go out of their way to assist, ensuring wherever then can that they have Counsel available to represent clients and having a good knowledge of the Counsel we typically like to instruct.
CLIENT: Rachel Adams
COMPANY/FIRM: DFA Law
TESTIMONIAL:
I cannot recommend the Family Finance Team at St Ives Chambers highly enough. They have a fantastic range of counsel from silk through to the junior end of junior counsel and are always our ‘go to’ chambers as we can tailor counsel to suit the needs of our particular case.
The service from the clerks is really first-class and they will go out of their way to assist.
The barristers that we use from St Ives Chambers provide an outstanding level of support to instructing solicitors, so it really feels that you are working within a team. They are responsive and efficient, diligent and provide solid advice.
CLIENT: James Coles
COMPANY/FIRM: Browne Jacobson
TESTIMONIAL:
Undoubtedly the “go to” property set in the Midlands. We have one of the largest property litigation teams in the Midlands and therefore need a property set that can deal with complex and high value disputes often at short notice; St Ives never fails to deliver. We particularly rate Michelle Caney, David Nuttall and Tony Watkin.
CLIENT: Yetunde Dania
COMPANY/FIRM: Trowers & Hamlins LLP
TESTIMONIAL:
I have worked with the housing clerks and the housing team at St Ives for many years.
The clerks are extremely approachable, friendly and will do their very best to provide representation and the processing of papers often at very short notice.
The barristers are also extremely approachable, speak plain English and are extremely good with clients.
This is extremely important to me as it is very rare nowadays for us to also be present at hearings and trials.
I seriously cannot recommend St Ives Chambers highly enough!
Client Testimonials
CLIENT: Philip Rea
COMPANY/FIRM: Thursfields Solicitors
TESTIMONIALS: St Ives chambers Family set are second to none. The breadth of experience, knowledge and skills of their Counsel provides us with reassurance and comfort that our clients are in excellent hands. Client service from Counsel is always of the utmost quality. Feedback from clients is always very positive. Tom Harrill, Tom Lawal and Holly Hilbourne-Gollop are particular standouts and are our ‘go to’s’ for Private Law work. The clerking team is also worth a mention the level of client service in particular David Walters and Scott Goodison is exceptional. They go out of their way to assist, ensuring wherever then can that they have Counsel available to represent clients and having a good knowledge of the Counsel we typically like to instruct.
CLIENT: Rachel Adams
COMPANY/FIRM: DFA Law
TESTIMONIALS: I cannot recommend the Family Finance Team at St Ives Chambers highly enough. They have a fantastic range of counsel from silk through to the junior end of junior counsel and are always our ‘go to’ chambers as we can tailor counsel to suit the needs of our particular case. The service from the clerks is really first-class and they will go out of their way to assist. The barristers that we use from St Ives Chambers provide an outstanding level of support to instructing solicitors, so it really feels that you are working within a team. They are responsive and efficient, diligent and provide solid advice.
CLIENT: James Coles
COMPANY/FIRM: Browne Jacobson
TESTIMONIALS: Undoubtedly the “go to” property set in the Midlands. We have one of the largest property litigation teams in the Midlands and therefore need a property set that can deal with complex and high value disputes often at short notice; St Ives never fails to deliver. We particularly rate Michelle Caney, David Nuttall and Tony Watkin.
CLIENT: Yetunde Dania
COMPANY/FIRM: Trowers & Hamlins LLP
TESTIMONIALS: I have worked with the housing clerks and the housing team at St Ives for many years. The clerks are extremely approachable, friendly and will do their very best to provide representation and the processing of papers often at very short notice. The barristers are also extremely approachable, speak plain English and are extremely good with clients. This is extremely important to me as it is very rare nowadays for us to also be present at hearings and trials. I seriously cannot recommend St Ives Chambers highly enough!
Diversity
St. Ives Chambers recognises the importance of continuing to develop a Bar which reflects the diversity of the society we serve. The principles of fairness and equality are central to how we approach our clients, colleagues, and working culture. As a Chambers, we pride ourselves in championing causes that challenge discrimination in matters of race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, and disability. At St Ives, we want to go beyond what is required policy and expected behaviours, by seeking to ensure that we are pivotal in implementing, engaging and introducing initiatives that promote the diverse society we represent and defend.
The highlights from our E&D initiatives have been those occasions when we have reached out beyond Chambers and engaged the wider community.
We were early signatories to, and continue to enthusiastically support, the Free Bar initiative, amplifying the voices and visibility of our colleagues in the LGBTQ+ community. It is important to us that we are active in the legal community both nationally and in the West Midlands, through regular seminars and training conferences which allow us to disseminate and learn from our collective experiences. Our Modern Families Conference brought together solicitors, leading experts, child protection professionals, and the combined expertise of our own barristers to reflect on current family law in a modern society of alternative family models and non-binary identities, and in recognition that our justice system needs to embrace the challenge of ensuring moral and legal acceptance in all cases.
Our annual Black History Month events are open to legal professionals and the local student community. They give us a chance to learn from the experiences of our judges, barristers, and other professionals of colour, and challenge us to continue to reflect and develop our working practices when it comes to ensuring racial equality.
Chambers sponsors and actively supports an initiative, local to the West Midlands, that provides students from all social backgrounds with an opportunity to experience life at the Bar. The “Bridging the Bar” scheme, benefits local students from all backgrounds, providing them with invaluable first-hand experience of shadowing a Barrister in their day-to-day working life. This scheme helps to demystify life at the Bar and provide aspiring young lawyers with the confidence and assurance that at a Chambers like St. Ives, their professional ambitions are attainable.
As part of its’ commitment to support inclusivity at the Bar, St Ives also signed up to host an intern via the Bar Council’s steering group in support for the 10,000 Black Interns initiative, which aims to address the underrepresentation of Black talent within a wide range of professions, including the law.
Advancement in the areas of equality, diversity, and inclusion within our profession are not boxes to be ticked, but rather a continuing process of asking ourselves difficult questions about how we deliver the service that we do and how we drive such change. At St. Ives, we are ambitious about our development.